March 25, 2010

Robbing Collections & Other Info

Robbing is now in game for a small subset (probably about 10%) of the gaming population. Here is how it works:

When going to the robbing screen, you are presented with 6-9 possible properties to rob. Usually a few properties are listed as "easy" while a few always seem to be listed as "hard". Despite this, if you have a strong fighting account, you will almost always win your "hard" matches. If you have a really weak account, you can still lose "easy" matches. It doesn't seem to be a reliable gauge of your opponents weaknesses. If you're strong, you'll win. If you're not, you probably won't.

Also note that your board changes while you are away. As predicted, you will need a good bit of stamina to really take advantage of this new feature (200 stamina seems about right). Good thing the chop shop has a +5 stamina car, so even if you are firmly entrenched in a high level, fighting based account, you can still easily pick up tons of stamina.

If you successfully rob each property on your property "board", you will get a bonus XP reward. I've seen as high as 500 XP. This makes robbing a great way to get experience points, assuming your account is strong enough to rob other players.

Additionally, as you rob, you have a chance to get bonus loot pieces (random loot pieces, sometimes high end, just like with fighting) and also a chance to get robbing collection pieces. Here's what they do:

Tools of the Trade Collection

Pieces in set: Lock Picks, Diamond Drill, Flashlight, Walkie Talkie, Safecracker's Stethoscope, Black Ski Masks, Grappling Hooks

Reward for vaulting: +20% cash and items from robbing

Stolen Diamond Collection

Pieces in set: Hope Diamond, Koh-I-Noor Diamond, Great Star of Africa Diamond, The Orloff Diamond, The Sancy Diamond, The Idol's Eye Diamond, The Regent Diamond

Reward for vaulting: Improve odds of successfull robberies by 10%

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The collections are pretty solid, especially if you rob a lot. Note that with the Stolen Diamond collection, even a weak energy account can successfully rob even the toughest opponent. Bringing back the RNG!

At any rate, it's nice to having robbing back. I'm not sure when it will be available for everyone, most of my accounts do not yet have it (even the ones with properties).
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  1. There are nine squares to choose from listed as easy, medium, and hard. I have won at all types and lost at all types. There is no way of knowing what kind of opponent you are going to face.

    I won't make a recommendation but I can describe the way I am starting to play this. Win or lose, you add to the overall percentage that gives you your robbing rating. It seems that you will get experience points if you lose, but you get more experience points and cash when you win.

    I am at level; 3-15%. I have collected the lock picks, walkie talkie, and two grappling hooks. But I also have collected other items like a concealable cameras, and a bank guards uniform.

    I will no longer use a few stamina points to hit one or two "jobs" because the board changes while you are away. I left the game for two hours knowing that I completed five of the nine jobs. When I returned to do the last four, all nine had been replaced and none were completed.

    So from now on I will calculate all the stamina I'll need before I start the board. The experience points are large on the completion of all nine jobs (154-200). You get a score on the completion of the board and it costs zero stamina to bring up a new board.

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  2. Thanks for the info anon, updated. I still haven't gotten robbing on my strong fighter so I haven't been able to play with this too much.

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  3. My attack for robbing is showing up as far below my attack for fighting. 2,000 vs. 53,000. When I click on "Show all items" it only shows that I am using 35 or 36 items for each category (weapons, armor, vehicles). Do you have any idea why it would limit the attack to such an odd number of items?

    Also, you get experience even if you fail at robbing, which is nice.

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  4. What level are you?

    Also, I there is a gifting bug that is lowering peoples attack and defense significantly. ETA on fix is unknown.

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  5. I am Level 427. I figured out that it is restricting me to using the number of mafia members equal to the mafia of the target I attack. Unfortunately, all of my current targets only have 35 members. The net effect (especially when you factor in the high loot items from special collections, mastering job tiers & (to a lesser extent the Gift Safehouse)) is that someone with a very small mafia can actually be quite powerful, despite whether they are labeled as easy, medium or hard. It's a far more equitable system than fighting as it keeps people with max mafias from beating up on smaller mafias but it also explains why the labels are almost entirely irrelevant.

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  6. I believe each type of property has a specific mafia number. It's not the mafia number your opponent has.
    The amount of experience for clearing the board of all nine properties (win or lose) has decreased since robbing came out around midnight Thursday. I was getting anywhere from 400-500 exp then. Now it's all been in the 130-150 exp range 18 hours later. I think Zynga realized that the experience points rewarded was disproportionately high compared to the stamina spent.

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  7. My level 331 but Robbing menu has not seen, any one know why...

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  8. level 331 player, have you read the very first line of the post?

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  9. had robbing all morning and gained about 200 levels. I only had warehouses available to rob and was getting bonuses in the range of 4-6hundred xp with each rob costing 7 stamina so you do the math thats 63 stamina for 4-6hundred xp. but alas i came home from work to find robbing gone from my menu and just hope i don't lose the 6 levels of mastery i gained

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  10. Does anyone have robbing on an account without any properties at all?

    This question just to find out if Zynga has made it so, that only players with properties will be able to do robbing?

    Thx.

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  11. I had robbing yesterday, and now it is gone today. This doesn't bother me too much since we do seem to be testing the application and I did get points for the effort I put in. My collection items remain.

    I do however wonder which is better, robbing or fighting? Right now I suggest robbing since you get collection items, but once that is complete, my opinion is that you get more "stuff" when fighting and a 1-6 times multiplier on the stamina points versus a more marginal multiplier in robbing.

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  12. i also had robbing yesterday and now it is gone. my other item farming account has rackets and that still hasn't changed at all. What a waste that one is. no chop shop and no robbing!!!

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  13. Will there be an option to also protect our properties, like in the old version??

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  14. Wierd, i was able to rob yesterday, but i logged in this morning and my robbing link is gone! I'm pissed off because i switched over to fearless just so i can get more XP per day from robbing folks. Now im stuck as a fearless, which i actually don't prefer since i don't seem to trigger free energy jobs very often, and i don't have that much energy.

    Heres what i can contribute from my limited robbing experience:
    At first i was getting over 500 xp per 63 stamina, which is a whopping 8.5++ xp per stamina, which is very good for experience. After 3 rounds of robbing (like 200 stimina) i was only getting about 240 xp per 63, which is still decent. Thats about 4++ xp per stamina, better than your average 2xp per energy point.

    Not sure if its because they fixed it thinking they were giving too much xp or if it was decreasing as you robbed more and more.

    Fuck i wish i could start robbing again.

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  15. Robbing is gone for me too. I was even 1 item away from completing one of the collections and now I'll have to wait. The bonus experience points where pretty sweet.

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  16. At this moment I'm opneing my th mystery bag. In my menu it keeps showing I got a new mystery bag :)
    I Finally got my baodiong balls and many more CNY collection pieces. Now I'm going for some godfather points and skill points

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  17. At this moment I'm opneing my th mystery bag. In my menu it keeps showing I got a new mystery bag :)
    I Finally got my baodiong balls and many more CNY collection pieces. Now I'm going for some godfather points and skill points

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  18. 3 more new achievements. Two related to robbing

    Burglar
    In Progress (0/1)
    Earned by vaulting Tools of the Trade collection set of Robbing

    Master Thief
    In Progress (0/1)
    Earned by vaulting Stolen Diamond collection set of Robbing

    Synchronized Watches
    In Progress (0/1)
    Earned by vaulting at least 1 Crew Collection

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  19. Thanks for all your comments dudes! I got (then lost it me too) the Robbing Skill on my 2 accounts, which are 2 Maniacs, levels 985 and 165. My girlfriend, who also is Maniac Level 511, did not get the Robbing Skill though. We all have properties in New-York. My mom has Rackets on her account, and did not get the Robbing chance as well. When fighting a 35 Mafia, I noticed that it meant we fought another member with our 35 best items for 35 Members. Same for when we had to fight only 2 Mafia members fights. T'was fun and crazy! I hope they get Robbery Skill back for everyone in there...

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  20. Thanks for all your comments dudes! I got (then lost it me too) the Robbing Skill on my 2 accounts, which are 2 Maniacs, levels 985 and 165. My girlfriend, who also is Maniac Level 511, did not get the Robbing Skill though. We all have properties in New-York.

    My mom has Rackets on her account, and did not get the Robbing chance as well. When fighting a 35 Mafia, I noticed that it meant we fought another member with our 35 best items for 35 Members. Same for when we had to fight only 2 Mafia members fights. T'was fun and crazy! I hope they get Robbery Skill back for everyone in there...

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  21. PLEASE give me direct link to Moscow or Bangkok...I'm using opera mini on mobile

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  22. I do not have robbing active with my character yet (level 645 maniac) however, I noticed that my attack and defense stats increased yesterday. My calcs indicate my attack should be 30315 and defense should be 30813 (with my mafia size of 254). Instead my stats say attack=35284 and defense=43217. Has there been a change in the way Zynga calculates total attack and defense stats?

    As far as robbing goes, I think that 200 stamina should equal about 500 experience points if it is equivalent to fighting. (Believe me, I empirically ran through 1000 stamina and carefully calculated that 1 stamina=2.5 experience points on average.)

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  23. I don't understand how I keep losing when I get robbed by someone who has stamina much lower than me. It doesn't make sense. I'm pretty sure I have more attack and defense points too. Unless the game is just trying to be fair.
    http://ultimatecafeworldguide.com

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  24. Has the Daily Chance lotto feature been removed from the game or is it just down for repairs?

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  25. OK, so what happens to the person who gets robbed? do they have to repair? do they lose stamina or energy or money?

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  26. very angry cuz i couldnt get any +5stats in mystery bag since last week. i hope mystery bag gifting can switch off as it is unfair to normal player compared to someone who uses 20-30+ accounts to receive +5 stats everyday...

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  27. I couldn't quite figure the Robbing out the short time it was available (I, too, found the option gone this morning). I didn't understand why my Attack points were different every time I tried to rob someone; they were all over the board, from around 1600 to 3800 or so. I saw no apparent pattern to the variation.

    I have pretty high A and D for my level, so generally I can run all the way down a fight list and only rarely lose a fight. But this wasn't the case with robbing. I failed at nearly half of the robberies I attempted. I robbed successfully on nearly every "Hard" rob-job (7-8 of them), but failed on almost every "Medium"-difficulty robbery, and even one or two "Easy" ones. That left me scratching my head a bit--

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  28. Robbing in now live for me. Liking it so far, wish I had more Stamina, but thankfully I had been building it up a bit the last week already.

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  29. Robbing started for me.

    While Zynga writes "Easy", "Medium" or "Hard" on various targets, it is no way of telling if our chances of winning are more or less.

    What *can* give us a reasonable prediction is the amount of Mafia to be used. If the number is very less (say 2 or 5), then in all probability, only the mastery items will be used, so if you don't have them, don't bother attacking these targets.

    Whereas if the mafia to be used is higher (say 100), you have a very good chance of winning if you have HEL.

    One tip: Clear the board no matter what. I once lost all 9 targets on the board, but still got an experience bonus of 50. And losing individual targets also gains you experience, but no cash. But honestly, who is looking for cash in New York anymore!!

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  30. Also, one more point.

    Robbing is not so good for experience.

    Even if you lose, you get experience at the rate of (0.5-1)* stamina, and if you win, you get (1.2-1.5)* stamina.

    Fighting still gives more experience per stamina.

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  31. BTW, I am the same anonymous who posted the above 2 comments.

    It takes close to 70 stamina to clear the grid of 9 targets. If you have lesser, don't bother trying to rob a half-grid.

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  32. I have Rackets AND robbing! be patient i'm sure it will show up for those not having robbing with rackets yet.

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  33. I'm lvl 4 robbing and it's getting slow. I have 350 stamina and just do every robbing job on the board then get new ones for 0 stamina. I think the XP bonus is based on how many you win. I got 90 when I won 9 for example. Got the collection done and there are a LOT more item drops then fighting. (it's like twice the daily change set) I'm getting a KCC/UBI/Blade every grid at least. Very nice indeed. The Mastery Items are where it's at when it comes to this. The Harpoon Gun is a MUST HAVE to be good at robbing the 5 or 2 ppl.

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  34. As far as robbing goes, there is a 'see details' tab to review a robbing event. After clicking this, you can click 'show items' which shows the items you used to attack and your opponent used to defend much like fighting. However, the total stats for attack and defense for weapons used do not add up to what one would expect from fighting. There is some other algorithm (and I accounted for the fact that the robbing was the same number of mafia members based on the job). Has anyone noticed this?

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  35. have rackets and robbing... can i trade rackets to property? :P

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  36. My Attack and Defense stats have gone down and now they seem to be changing! I am loading up on russia armor (whatever they are called) and it seems to be driving my Def stats down, was on a roll the other day and went up nearly 2000k now have lost more than that in def and half in att. WFT is going on?

    MAX

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  37. The algorithm is strange, in my opinion. On the same level of robbing target, my list of offensive weapons, armor, vehicles will be identical on two separate jobs, but the attack stat number is different. Can anyone account for this?

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  38. Whe doe i get my properties??
    it's sucks to still have rackets en about 4000 car shop pieces

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  39. If you have properties do you get notified if somebody robbed you?

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  40. Is this robbing even real or is it Farmville robbing? Does it take away anything from the person you are attacking?

    All this seems to be is a new version of jobs using stamina instead of energy with a randomizer that determines outcome and differential xp.

    Not that it is a bad thing, it actually is pretty slick, but it won't replace old style robbing for people who actually want to punish hospital hitlisters.

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  41. Sooo... it seems like robbing is based on (attack str. combined with atk items and a random modifier) vs. (def str. combined with def items and a random modifier)
    The easy, medium, hard labels seems to be based on your item str vs their item str which means there is a lot of unknown numbers involved (their def str and both random modifiers are unknown).

    The only thing I am suprised by is the seemingly insane def str some players have. If I have like 1500 total attack power in a given robbery some players can have over 10000 total def! >_<
    It would be sweet to see the formula used for robbing...

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  42. In a grid, you can also rob chop shops. A successful rob gave me car parts...

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  43. I have rackets and I am now able to rob.

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  44. YOUR STATS ARE NOT CHANGING WITH ROBBING YOU DON'T ATTACK WITH ALL UR MAFIA SO UR ATTACK WILL BE LOWER AND NOT ALL ITEMS WILL BE USED!!!!

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  45. can someone tell mi how to get diamond colection.. i loot all the time tools of the trade colection.. tnx..

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  46. From what I'm looking at robbing, it's a step in the right direction. Was looking at my profile and found that times robbed and how many people robbed have been changed to robbing wins. By the looks of things, I don't think that any damages have been put on properties. If they did, it'll be harder to get the final acheivement points.

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  47. The toughest part of robbing for me is when the first two (only?!) items of the 3 types are compared. Even with HEL's out the wazoo, def loot on average have higher numbers, and I tend to fail.

    Also, what was the RNG?

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  48. how much atk doe you need to be a good robber?

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  49. 3:50, it all depends on your level, loot, and mafia. Even with low atk, I can beat almost every other. However, I'm high in hel loot, lvl 90, and over 100 mafia. You should have been playing MW long enough to know by now.

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  50. i'm on level 5 and haven't had a diamond drop yet? any idea why. I finished the other collection

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  51. "Anonymous said...

    Whe doe i get my properties??
    it's sucks to still have rackets en about 4000 car shop pieces
    March 27, 2010 5:00 AM "

    Hey Anon, wanna trade your car shop pieces for something you need?? I desperately need those. Send me a message if interested: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profile&id=143700042

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  52. just wondering... has anyone gotten any diamond drops?

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  53. everytime i robe the 9th property. i get the blinking "try refreshing" message. I use internet explorer 7.

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  54. I'm now halfway of level 3 at robbing and short of one item to complete the Tools of the Trade collection. But curiously enough I have neiher double items, nor any Diamond one's.
    Guess, I need to have the right tools to get to them!

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  55. You only get the diamonds from completing the grid. And I think it has only 1% drop rate.

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  56. To the VERY LOUD person above. MY STATS ARE F#@*ing CHANGING! I am not one of the idiots that can't comprehend the robbing stuff. Just got back up to 21k attack, leveled up and it is back down to the 20k, drop of 400ish. Not sure why yet. I am getting my info from my inventory page. Please help if you know why...

    MAX

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  57. I heard that a week ago that stats where changing and thought is was solved. I never had that problem but heard that buying a baseball bat would do the trick but not sure about that.

    Or send a mail to zynga support and say what happens. The support gives an anwer in 8 hours. Something that actually works good by zynga.

    Hope this helps.

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  58. Am at level 5 and no sign of any diamond drop....What's the deal with this? When do the diamonds start dropping...

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  59. My rackets were replaced with properties tonight. All properties are level 100 except the chop shop and Deli. Too bad I already traded away all my chop shop stuff. Also my attack and defense are higher than they should be (by more than 10%) shhh don't tell Zynga!

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  60. Why won't the Diamond's drop?
    What is the drop rate for them,I am at level 6 and have not had a single one!

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  61. I've gotten an idol's eye when I was at level 2 (cleared the board with 9-0 at that time). But haven't seen anymore up till now that I'm at level 5.

    Had thought that by clearing the board with 9-0, you'll get a diamond, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

    Anyone else knows when or how to make then drop?

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  62. Zynga posted that diamonds are rare and only drop from clearing a grid. It is supposed to be a bettter chance from a 9-0 grid, but can drop from any grid completion. "be patient." lmao
    I got 1 diamond from a grid at level 3 and almost through level 5 and no more. The random win lose multiplier is unbelievable. I have 1500 att and 66,000 and lose and win on both hard and easy. the # never add up. It seems the min with the multiplier should always be the items and points then the multiplier, but not the case. Robbing is tooooo random.

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  63. i'm at lvl 677 wif 1260 stamina n i've gotten de diamonds collection! it seems dat de drop rate for de last piece is always very low so i suppose u needa hope dat u hav xtra diamonds to trade wif others for de last piece.. dats how i got my collection too

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  64. CONGRATULATIONS!
    You cleared the full board and earned: 50 Bonus Experience!
    You earned a bonus Great Star of Africa Diamond
    Your record on this board was 4-5. You can get better at robbing by:
    Growing your mafia
    Increasing your attack skill

    lvl 5 robber. my first diamond.
    the chance is PURELY random. if you get to 10th level and still dont have one its just bad luck

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  65. i had completed trade collection once but when i complete it 4 de 2nd time i cannot claim de reward.why???by de way i'm only lvl 106.

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  66. i had complete trade collection once but when i complete it 4 de 2nd time de reward box didnt appear.why???by de way i'm only lvl 106.

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  67. From what I've seen Hard refers purely to the level of the player you're up against - i.e. I'm level 510 so Hard may mean I play against a level 1000+, Medium Level 750+ and Easy level 500+. It's entirely possible that Hard may be an energy fiend with low defence stats and thus is still easy to beat, also Easy may be a lean mean fighting machine and therefore actually hard to beat. Hope this helps! From my experience go for Hard/Mediums first so if you fail you can always use a back-up - if you then win you still get it registered as a success (i.e. can still get a 9-0). Oh, and I'm 60% level 5 and no diamonds yet! And I have cleared 9-0 about 7 times now.

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  68. im struggling to diamonds, in fact i haven't found any yet! i am i lvl 638 with 2037 robbing wins and 459 losses (my excuse for that is the fact that i only have 77 mafia). do i just need more patients to hopefully get diamonds or is there a problem? thank-you for reading (:

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  69. Just adding my experience. Level 360, mafia 564. I have around 1000 robbing attempts total with a ratio of 2:1 wins:losses. Have 7, 9-0 board clears as of robbing level 3, 25%. Had one diamond drop and it was on a 9-0 clear...

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